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12月5日

Put It Back

Whether or not the BCS is working is a matter of how you define success.  If you want 1 versus 2 playing each other every year then, yes, the BCS is working.  If the goal is to see the best two teams play each other at the end of the year, well then that’s a matter of opinion.

The Bowl Championship series was created eight years ago.  The goal is to have No. 1 and No. 2 play each other for the National Championship.  There has been tweaking and fine tuning over the years to make every effort to get it right.  The problem is you have 11 Conferences and 117 teams in Division 1-A.  So how do we know that we are watching the two best teams?  Answer: we don’t.

Case in point: Boise State.  The Broncos won the Western Athletic Conference and finished a perfect 12-0.  The current and final BCS standings have them eighth, good enough for a Fiesta Bowl invite but they won’t even sniff the national championship.  Why?  Because the voters and BCS computers don’t think that their schedule stacks up to the bigger conference schedules and therefore their team doesn’t stack up against the bigger schools.

All Boise State can do is play their schedule.  And on their schedule was Oregon State, whom they beat 42-14 early in the season.  That same team Oregon State team later beat USC 33-31.  Stay with me now.  If USC had beaten UCLA right now they’d be preparing to play Ohio State for the national championship.

Now I’m not suggesting that because Boise State beat Oregon State and Oregon State beat USC that Boise State would beat USC, that’s not the way it works.  You see that’s the point.  These voters and computers don’t know what would happen any more than the players and coaches do. 

Human beings (with the help of computers) picking two teams out of 117 and saying they are the best two is just as impossible and unfair as those same people picking one team at the end and saying they are best.  So what’s the answer?  I have joined the chorus of those screaming for a playoff.  4 teams, 8 teams, 16 teams, it doesn’t matter to me I’d be for it.  The university presidents seem reluctant to allow that to happen for whatever reason; money, logistics, a genuine concern for the well being of the players.  I really don’t know.

It is all too clear that the system is flawed.  The BCS was supposed to fix the controversies that arose under the old system and it has not.  So if we can’t have a playoff, like every other division playing college football, then I say put it back the way it was.

The regular season in college football has always been the most meaningful in all of sports.  Every single game matters.  Those kids play with pride.  They play with passion.  They are competing for themselves, their teammates and their school.  That hasn’t changed and it won’t; no matter how a national champion is decided.  Everybody is trying to fix something that can’t be broken.  The only thing wrong here are those so caught up in profit and commercialism that they’ve lost sight of what college athletics is about.  It’s about excelling through competition.  Of course that too is a matter of opinion.

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Aaron发表:
OK don't even get me started on your spelling and grammar.
 
Yes you do hear NFL teams cry.  Last year Kansas City went 10-6 and missed the playoffs.  At the NFL owners meeting they petitioned the league to expand the playoffs by two teams in each conference.  Luckily their request was repelled.
 
But you are still missing the point.  If you believe there is a legitimate way to crown a national champion in college football you are mistaken.  Basketball has March Madness which is probably my second favorite event it all of sports, but they can play a 65 team single elimination tournament, by the time they get to 64 and 65 they are snubbing a team that has no business complaining.  They aren't leaving out any conference champs or any runners up.  You are talking about leaving out the fourth or fifth best team in most conferences.  Football, logistically speaking, can't do that.
 
Yes a playoff would be better than what we have now, but it's not the cure all that you think it is.  For my money give me back the "traditional" bowl games and reinstill in these kids good old fashion conference rivalries.
 
One more argument against the playoff (which I'm on the record as being in favor of by the way, I just can't resist a good argument) I bet in the Michigan Ohio State game this year if there had been a playoff both teams would have considered resting their stars with a playoff spot already locked up.  That would just be sad.
12 月 12 日
JDinCOS发表:
Ok I know that we can go back and forth about this forever but I still have to dissagree!  I do however agree with you in that whatever system is used it will be impossible to please every college football fan. 
 
My point however is this, what is everyone in the country clammering about?  Who should really be in the Championship game.  Auburn is not arguing that they should be there, nor is Notre Dame or Oklahoma.  Realistically the only teams\fans that are clammering are the top 3 teams.  I honestly don't see a scenario where more than 4 teams will have a ligitamate arguement.  An 8 team playoff will put a difinative end to the College Football season.  Now I know that there will be those fans and schools who will cry foul, but look at March madness, and all the bubble teams.  Sure some teams are left out every year that probably be in the big dance, but do we ever make this huge of a stink about it? No because they get to go to the NIT tourney and continue on there season.  These other "snubbed" football teams will still get to go to bowl games.  What about the NFL?  Do you hear the 9-7 team from the AFC cry because a 9-7 team from the NFC makes the playoffs and they didn't?  NO of course not.  Going back the way it was is diffenatly a step backwards. (if not more than 1 step) 
 
As for who benefits?  Does it really matter?  The athletes still wont get any money, but they will benifit in the following ways:  Better facillities, more money for better coaches, and exposure.  The fans benefit as well, as I stated we will see better games, and the majority of fans will be happy to finally know who the National champ is.  After all do we ever argue at the end of March Madness, or after the Superbowl?
12 月 12 日
Aaron发表:
First of all I'm glad this has sparked so much debate.
 
Second, John you are wrong.  My point has nothing to do with whether or not Boise State should or should not play for a national championship.  It's not about those who are benefiting financially from their BCS bowl berth either.  My contention is their was nothing wrong with the old system that the BCS has fixed.  I used Boise State to illustrate that it still is not a system you can point to and say yes team x and team y are better than teams a-w and team z too.  The old way was just as controversial and exclusionary as the BCS, with voters deciding whose wins were better.
 
College football participants are too vast and diverse to make such a judgment.  As you already pointed out even an eight team playoff would leave 9-10 screaming bloody murder.  You can say this year that 9-10 don't have legitimate cases and I wouldn't argue that.  I won't even bother throwing out the impossible scenario of 11 undefeated teams but what about 10 one loss teams?  An eight team playoffs wouldn't satisfy that scenario would it? 
 
This isn't a case of me taking my ball and going home (which I've been known to do on occasion), I'm saying college football is remarkable and unique and should be celebrated for it.  Instead we end every year with bickering and bitterness.
 
I'm a competitive person.  I enjoy seeing who's best.  However, this seems to be an impossible scenario and sometimes takes away just how great a season it was.  I mean did you see Ohio State vs. Michigan?  That's as good as it gets and we're not even talking about it because of the ramifications of the BCS voters and a couple of computers.
 
Several years ago my brother in law called me and asked if I wanted to play in a Turkey Bowl with some of his friends Thanksgiving morning.  I showed up expecting ten guys or so.  There were more like fifty.  Everybody invited somebody and they invited somebody else, it just snowballed from there.  So we all divided up into four groups and played.  We played all morning.  We switched and played different teams but by the time we were all finished we hadn't played this one team that hadn't lost that morning.  Now there was no trophy or money handed out, but I would have liked to have gotten a shot at them but it didn't ruin the day.  I still had a great time.  We'd have had to have played all day to get to everyone and it just wasn't feasible.
 
Granted that is nowhere near D-I college sports but for there to be a definitive champ out of 117 teams in 11 conferences who'd have to have them play into March to eliminate all challengers and how would that be fair since the team that gets them last gets a worn out team.  So just let these kids play and enjoy the college experience and let us enjoy watching it.  What's wrong with a Big Ten team having the Rose Bowl as their goal each year?  What's wrong with focusing on beating everyone in your conference?  These are well defined obtainable goals where they take their future in their hands and out of the hands of voters.
 
What we have now benefits networks and universities monaterily.  It feeds the beast that is 24-hour sports networks and radio talk shows, which is fine.  But are we talking about anything important?  No.  We are certainly not talking about football.  This isn't football.  This is just junk.
12 月 12 日
JDinCOS发表:
I find it a bit commical that you go on about Boise St. and how they are gettin snubbed by not having a chance to Play for a national championship.  And then about who is getting the $ for said Bowl games.  But think about this.  By Boise St making a BCS bowl game, they will receive between 3 and 3.5 million dollars.  That the school who gets the money.  Add to that the WAC conference will receive roughly $12 million (minus Boise States take)  Plus 5 other Second tier conferences will recieve roughly $1.75 million each because Boise St is playing in the Fiesta bowl.  If you go back to the way it was Boise St would have to split a measly $500k with it's conference for going to the Chiquita Bananas Bowl.  (or whatever bowl the WAC is affiliated with)  I honestly dont think the WAC, Boise ST, or the other 2nd tier confrences would see things your way.
 
I do agree that the BCS is broken, and is in need of being fixed.  I believe an 8 team playoff would appease most College football fans.  It would not minimize the regular season in that only the best 8 teams would have an opportunity to make the playoffs, so 2 losses would pretty much end all championship hopes.  Im sure there will be those that argue that teams 9 and 10 are getting the snub, but honesly do you feel that Auburn, Oklahoma, or even Notre Dame have a snowball's chance in hell of competing against Ohio St, Florida, or Michigan.  The 4 major bowl sites still get used for the playoff games, with the championship game rotating year to year.  Or better yet, use the smaller bowl sites for the 1st and second round games, and the better teams still have an opportunity of going to a "Major Bowl" game when they are nocked out of the playoffs.  Honestly who really wants to see Southern Florida and East Carolina in the Alabama bowl.  Im sure there are plenty of drawbacks, but with a playoff eveyone wins. The fans see better quality bowl games, the better teams are rewarded with more games (and after all wasnt that what mattered to you when you played) the schools and conferences are rewarded and the networks will be happy to put on a quality bowl games instead of everything being on ESPN.  And finally we have a difinative national champion.
 
Putting things back the way they were sounds a little like the kid who takes his ball home cause the good players are being to rough.  Why take backward steps when we can so easily make this right and move foward.
12 月 8 日
Marc发表:

I tried putting my name in, but where it says "(no name)" is an un-editable field. So while I'd like to sign off on every post as "The Most Greatest and Factual Blogger Ever", it looks as if I have been thwarted by the evil doings of microsoft -- again.

True - Gymnastics, figure skating, auto racing, would be a great topic... I'd also like to suggest the athlete vs. non-athlete discussion and through in AL pitchers into the mix. Yes, I'm smiling as I can already hear the squawking as someone just read the proposition that an AL pitcher isn't an athlete. (poke - prod)

And the font thing is weird, when editing in the comment box it’s huge and disturbing, but then changes everything after posting. So the font is fine. I didn’t know it would change after posting.

And the snub is more or less a means to draw out more emotion into a discussion which gives others more opportunities to hear more points, and hopefully create a solution based upon all related perspectives.

It’s also a play on irony as the assertion itself is an opinion and subject to the same critique as what anyone else might writes. 

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12 月 8 日
Aaron发表:
First of all Marc if you're going to post a comment put your name.  I know who you are but others that read this don't.  That will save me from receiving the "who's this joker" emails from other readers.
 
Second if you re-read the blog I called out university presidents for not allowing a playoff and for backing a bunk BCS system for whatever reason, which I acknowledge I don't know.  The "profit and commercialism" was aimed at all money grubbing parties.  It doesn't matter to me whether the profits are going to the universities or the networks.  I think both are shameful in this particular case.  That's why I say put it back the way it was.  The BCS is not a legitimate way to crown a champion because human voting is still involved (which is the same reason I don't acknowledge figure skating or gymnastics as a sport.  It's more of an exhibition, but that's another topic). 
 
I am speaking to those craving a definitive answer to who is the best.  For me personally though I'd just as soon see it return to the traditional bowls and conference affiliations.  College football is great because of it's wide variety of participants but instead of celebrating that at the end of every year most people are just left shaking their heads.
 
Lastly, explain to me how a person's opinion [a belief or judgement that rests on grounds insufficient to produce a complete certainty] can be wrong.
 
p.s. I like this font.
12 月 7 日
Marc发表:
True, it's your opinion and this great nation entitles you to have a wrong opinion. (BTW-what's up with this huge font?)

"The only thing wrong here are those so caught up in profit and commercialism that they’ve lost sight of what college athletics is about.  It’s about excelling through competition.  Of course that too is a matter of opinion."

Make sure you double check who would profit most from a BCS playoff system and if that is who SHOULD be making the profits. Could it be the wolf in sheeps clothing, the media/networks are instigating all this hatred so they can get the dollars they feel left out of from not having a playoff system.
If anything, keep the dollars in the schools. I don't have an issue with the schools crying foul of the backdoor approach the networks are taking in this discussion. Shame on them for suckering the fans into believing "the schools are so greedy".

The Merry-Go-Round of BCS.
12 月 6 日

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